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blast off on another episode of the hero

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paranormal podcast broadcasting from the

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base at la madre mountain just south of

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area 51

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my name is ryan the original outlaw of

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the airwaves bringing you an epic

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episode today

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super excited about today's podcast as

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we truly have

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a very special treat

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we have a guest with intense knowledge

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of one of the hottest paranormal

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locations on the planet

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a place known for portals

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odd square chupa like craft

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bigfoot like entities and an array of

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high strangeness that can only be

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likened to the events taking place

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in the uintah basin of utah

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today's guest is none other than trey

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hudson

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author of the new outstanding book

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everyone should read and have in their

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arsenal by the title of the meadow

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project

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he is a professional researcher

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associated with the anomalous studies

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and observation group known as asog

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as well as the oxford paranormal society

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known as ops ops of which he is the

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director

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with over 37 years of personal research

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experience in the field

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trey hudson brings pieces of the puzzle

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concerning our reality

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ufos ghost-like encounters portals and

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cryptid creatures to the proverbial

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table of truth

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with a scientific scrutiny

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which is hard

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to compare to anything else

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when i came across his work

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the meadow project

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explorations into the south's skinwalker

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i became obsessed

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whether it be scientifically

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investigating portals

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lights in the sky

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or things that go bump in the night

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trey hudson has carved out a slice of

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paranormal heaven in an area with a long

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history of high strangeness

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a secret spot named baz or the baz

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the blackwater anomalous zone

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leaving no stone unturned he and a group

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of well-equipped knowledgeable team

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members have investigated this location

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in a professional scientific manner for

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and the results are outstanding and

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amazing

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with that being said let's get to it

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trey hudson welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast

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well ryan thank you for having me uh i

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don't know who that interesting guy was

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that you just introduced uh you know i'm

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just kind of an average guy that's uh

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stumbled across an amazing site you know

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you had said you had a chance to read

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the book so you get a little bit of a

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flavor for what exactly i'm talking to

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and i'm really happy and honored to be

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with you today to share some of these

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amazing happenings with you and your

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it really is a great book

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not only is it a page turner but

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everything you delve into is is just

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done with such professionalism

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let's get a little history just general

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history about the area and what

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originally drew you to this particular

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oh that's a that's a great great uh

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first question uh i am primarily a

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paranormal researcher that's kind of you

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the paranormal or and i don't like the

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term ghost hunting but in the ghost

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hunting realm

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and i've always had a very uh strong

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feeling about following the folklore you

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know if you if you look for the folklore

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it might be a little bit outlandish and

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full of hyperbole but usually there's a

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nugget a tiny grain of truth that that

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uh act as an incubator for the folklore

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and this area is uh is is absolutely

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chocked full of not only folklore but

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actual reported sightings of the strange

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uh what got me kind of focused on this

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i started receiving reports of a haunted

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you know like a uh you know every

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community seems to have a haunted road

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you don't go down this road at night

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whatever you do don't go down that road

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them paints will get you you know this

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is a you know kind of a rural part you

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and uh being warned off of a road

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because it's so haunted and so

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terrifying is like waving a red flag in

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front of me like a bull you know it's

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like don't go there well heck yeah

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that's where i'm going you better

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so it started off investigating this

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haunted road and it turned out that the

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haunted road was not quite as advertised

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but once you start peeling back the

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layers of the onion and looking down

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into the the kernels of truth that that

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are sometimes buried you know beneath uh

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you know gears of folklore and

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retellings of tails it turns out that

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this area is absolutely

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a hotbed for paranormal and other 40

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i started finding everything from

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reports uh in a macro sense and i'm

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a multi-state kind of

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look uh in a macro sense you know the 10

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000 yard uh look i started seeing uh ufo

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sightings uh ghost stories

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hauntings in all the various little

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towns in this region

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and i started delving into uh the going

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zone at the blackwater nature preserve

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and also the contiguous counties and i

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unfortunately at times a very tragic

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history of uh

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murders this bodies being discovered

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of bigfoot sightings sasquatch sightings

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ufo sightings you know digging into the

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records of the bfro move on things like

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perhaps was a little bit closer to the

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truth than i thought but albeit not in a

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way that i originally had intended it

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wasn't just a ghost thing it was just an

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anomalous you know

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uh phenomenon thing

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and uh we decided we were going to start

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looking into this area and we discovered

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and ran across a meadow or a pristine

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mountain field if you will

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that turned out to be just one of the

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strangest and weirdest spots i've ever

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and it it seems like almost from the

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very start you had you had some high

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strangeness that your team encountered

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and your team is made up of very

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professional investigators uh veterans

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special operations uh

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all kinds of walks of life

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it seems like from the get-go according

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to the book you really sort of

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came in touch with this high strangeness

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oh yeah absolutely i mean the first

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thing that really turned us on

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while we myself and another researcher

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were off about 20 miles away

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investigating you know this haunted road

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back at base camp uh

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one of my researchers while he was

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minding the store

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you know taking care of business back

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there base camp had an amazing ufo

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phenomenal it was uh

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he had a gigantic orb come up

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and uh traverse from uh right to left

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across the sky and then wink out

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so of course we're like okay well the uh

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the so-called haunted road didn't really

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yield a lot of results but we we've got

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a dog on you know world-class ufo

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sighting here let's hang around here

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so as we started looking at doing aerial

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surveys of that area you know within you

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know half a mile off where this ufo

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sighting took place we found a field

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and it's like you know that would be an

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excellent place to start our research

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because it's a large open space

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and several factors came into play you

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number one it's open

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and anything moves across this field

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would leave tracks it's a perfect track

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trap you know that people talk about in

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the in the cryptic world

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so you know that we were down on that

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that looked like a very good location it

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was also very open where if we were out

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thermal equipment anything that moved

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it also had an open sky that we would be

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really cool place to kind of focus our

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initial research on and it turns out it

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was an epicenter

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and it once it started producing it

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hasn't stopped and the cool thing is

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once you think you've uh exhausted

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you know all the types of paranormal and

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uh high strangeness it throws you a

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curveball we

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thought that we had everything kind of

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locked up as far as

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sightings of entities and strange chupas

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you know that our team would disappear

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into when they approached

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we thought that that was going to be

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pretty much it and then we started

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getting uh downloads of information into

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and then other strange things you know

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craft moving past our campsites you know

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blacked out and

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strange stuff so it's uh it's one of

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those uh you know unique gifts that just

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keeps on giving

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and i was so blown away by many of the

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methods that you detail in the book

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it uh i i absolutely loved the estes

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message method that you used for evps

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what a genius move and we might be able

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to get into that kind of jumping back to

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the meadow and the tracks

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you have sent me some footage that is

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absolutely unbelievable i'm not going to

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share it with anyone but i can verify

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that everything you're saying is 100

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true i'm blown away

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chupa like triangular areas where people

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gosh where to start how did you come up

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with the idea of the estes evp method

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and i guess we'll take it from there

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okay that's a that's a great question

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like i said my uh my background is

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primarily as a paranormal researcher you

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nuts and bolts you know paranormal

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uh you know we're pretty well known

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we've been a member of the uh the the

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taps family for quite a few years so you

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know we

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strong roots in that background

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and back a few years ago uh

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kind of your traditional haunted

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location referral started kind of

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petering out

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so we decided to start looking elsewhere

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start looking into the america's

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wildland see what we could find

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and when we found this location of

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course you know being a paranormal guy

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the estes method is such a very in my

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opinion a very good method

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of uh instrumental trans communication

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that takes out any you know pre-loading

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uh by the questioner and the receiver by

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you know hopefully your audience is

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familiar with sd's method

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uh is you basically do evp sessions but

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the person who is listening to the uh

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the ghost box

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has on blindfolds and earmuffs they

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can't hear the questions being asked and

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their instructions are basically to

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repeat any intelligible word they hear

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if they hear the word rutabaga then they

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just speak rutabaga

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and so it takes a lot of the the uh the

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pre-loading and preconceived stuff out

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of it you know a lot of the matrix audio

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matrix thing that people you know

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say are issues with the other ghost

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boxes

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so i thought well why not you know

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these uh my beliefs uh go back to you

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know some of the the writings of john

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keel

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about uh you know what he called ultra

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terrestrials i think that we're dealing

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with things that are interdimensional

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and i actually use the term uh

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pair dimensional instead of ultra

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terrestrial because i think that's what

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we're dealing with what a great

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opportunity to take this method you know

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out of my ghost research toolbox and

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apply it to this

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and you know we use methods out of the

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cryptid research world uh i'm a mufon

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field investigator so i use you know

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toolbox tools out of that toolbox so we

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decided to use the estes method

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and uh i neglected to send you the video

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of that actual sd session the uh the

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transcript is in the book but we

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actually believe that we were able to

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contact some sort of entity

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that during this session became very

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agitated when i started drilling down to

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the actual

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uh

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indicators and phenomenology of these

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portals or boxes and uh it was just an

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absolutely amazing amazing event and it

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couldn't have gone any better than we

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i think that's what really struck me is

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how extra fluid the conversation seemed

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to be and um all you know that although

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the intelligence let's just call it that

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was speaking in short phrases if not one

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word responses

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it was extra fluid and it seemed to

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covered all it covered all the bases

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that you were asking about i was blown

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away by that

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uh getting back to the meadow

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many of the things in the book are very

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relatable as you've mentioned to other

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areas of high strangeness something that

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really stood out to me is

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the gps tracking of one of your

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investigators and his possible turning

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into a well we don't we just don't know

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but could we get into that

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that scenario and how how much

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land he covered and what kind of terrain

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and how he did so in

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straight lines

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oh excellent question excellent question

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we had uh this was back and i'm looking

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at my notes back here this was back in

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january of 2016.

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when we really started researching the

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meadow uh you know in earnest

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and uh our idea was kind of like i

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alluded to earlier is we were going to

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have three teams set up in the meadow

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with night vision equipment and thermals

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the idea was to have a single solitary

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member move across a ridgeline which is

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to the south of the meadow the idea was

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if there was anything in between the top

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of this ridge line in the meadow that

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hopefully this researcher would drive it

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down into the meadow and we'd be able to

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capture it on our flear and or night

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vision

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and

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once we got our teams in place

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we were waiting for the other researcher

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to say he had already started his uh

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trek to traverse across the top of the

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ridge and one thing we do is we run

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things and

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a lot of us have military backgrounds we

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run things in kind of a military type

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setup you know we have a radio net

402
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control very strict command and control

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everybody has coms with everybody else

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so once we were in place we were waiting

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for the radio

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uh cue that he was going to start moving

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and he came to us over the radio and he

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said

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i just reached this landmark it's a

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well-known landmark it's a downed tree

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and he said i just reached the uh the

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tree across the trail and i don't

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remember how i got here

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of course the first thing is uh occam's

415
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razor you know he had some sort of

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medical condition you know maybe he had

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a stroke a concussion some sort of

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epileptic episode something like that so

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our medics on the team started

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interrogating him over the radio can you

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feel both hands you know do you feel

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dizzy does your head hurt do you have

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any balance issues like no no i just

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don't remember how i got here okay you

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know we were excited about this new

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investigatory uh experience and looking

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at this new location we thought maybe

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he was daydreaming you know kind of like

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you drive into work in the morning you

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don't really remember driving there

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so we kind of brushed that off uh

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and he traversed the top of the

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ridgeline

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with no results dropped down into the

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west end of the meadow started working

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his way east

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uh i had a team of uh researchers that

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picked him up on their fleer equipment

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their thermal equipment as he dropped

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down into the meadow these two

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individuals

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give you a little bit about their

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backgrounds one individual has a degree

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in uh

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management from the georgia institute of

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technology a very prestigious

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engineering school in atlanta georgia

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also has a master's degree in public

449
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administration has been a career

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paramedic for over 30 years

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the other individual with him comes from

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the us army special operations community

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specifically the 75th ranger regiment

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has a degree from georgia tech and

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physics with a dual degree in philosophy

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works in the technical field very solid

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feet on the ground kind of guys

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and they watched our researcher drop

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down in the meadow and start working

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their way towards them

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and much of their surprise they witness

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him

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turn into a sphere of energy

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on their equipment

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and move several hundred yards in a few

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seconds and we calculated this out

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whatever that thing was it was moving at

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26 miles per hour

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over rugged terrain faster than the

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fastest runner could move wow

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thermal signature on our flear

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and they quickly radioed and they said

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you know are you okay and they saw this

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shape and their thermal you know imagery

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bring a radio up to its mouth and

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respond yes i'm fine why do you ask

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well perhaps you should come over here

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and let's talk about it

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so

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they met up and they explained what they

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saw which was basically his heat

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signature man-shaped heat signature

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turned into a ball of energy moved

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several hundred yards

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over a few seconds and then turn back

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into a man-shaped heat signature

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and uh

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walk over to them

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and they said what did you experience

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he's like i don't know what you're

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talking about i was just walking across

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the field

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there was no change or nothing different

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to me from my perspective

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so i would literally

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we were just arguing about this amongst

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the team members last week whose

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perspective changed

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who had their reality shifted was it the

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observer

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or was it the observed and then you

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start getting into all kinds of quantum

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issues you know when you start looking

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at it that way

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so we thought okay well that was kind of

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the strangest thing that's probably

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going to happen to us ever

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and we were wrong

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the next morning the individual who

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experienced the missing time and has

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changed into the sphere of energy came

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over to us uh with his gps a little bit

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about this gentleman's background he is

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a retired law enforcement officer

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spent many many years doing back country

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search and rescue in the wilds of

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california back in the 80s when they

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would literally drop you and your search

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dog off in a helicopter and you were on

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your own until you were retrieved so

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this guy has a lot of back country

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search and rescue experience and as part

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of that he always runs his tracking

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uh

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feature on his gps it always runs a

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track wherever he's at

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that morning he showed us his track from

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the evening before and what it showed

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was several straight lines

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those lines being several kilometers

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long

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going from point to point for example

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point a to point b point b to point c

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point c to point d several kilometers

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long

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straight lines

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the only problem is you can't

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can't travel in a straight line over

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this terrain it's too rugged

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you can't travel in a straight line on

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foot nor can you travel in a straight

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line by automobile

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so i'm going to ask you how can you

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travel in a straight line over rugged

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terrain

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yeah it is

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it's something

548
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can't be explained i thought this was

549
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ultra strange

550
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and

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there do see it seems that

552
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there's many facets to this area you are

553
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investigating with your team

554
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and at times it seems like there is a

555
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trickster element involved

556
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everything from sticks over backpacks to

557
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entire trees over trails could we go

558
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,559
into the trickster type uh element that

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has been encountered

560
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:40,559
oh yeah that's that's excellent uh you

561
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,039
know these areas uh all over the world

562
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that are hot spots for high strength as

563
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often as you said have a trickster or a

564
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:50,640
joker element to it uh you know you go

565
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:52,159
all the way back in the you went to

566
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,520
valley you know you've got uh you know

567
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,120
some of the tricksters there and you

568
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:57,600
know back in the first nations folklore

569
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:00,840
and we're not immune to that uh we had

570
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:03,760
uh some of the trickster elements is as

571
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:05,679
you alluded to the uh stick across the

572
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:08,240
backpack uh we had we're exploring

573
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,919
another meadow that was about seven

574
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,120
miles away

575
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:13,200
this one was a very remote we had to

576
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:16,000
hike about seven miles back to get to it

577
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:17,679
carrying all of our equipment with us

578
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,360
and the next morning

579
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:21,840
one of our team members had had a stick

580
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,559
placed uh interwoven within a hip belt

581
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:26,320
of his backpack and there's a photograph

582
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:28,159
in the book of this

583
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,919
his backpack had been left outside of a

584
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:31,840
single man bivvy tent

585
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,240
and one side of the stick was under the

586
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,159
left side of the backpack left side of

587
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,559
the hip belt and the top of the stick

588
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:40,240
was over the right side of the hip belt

589
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,600
interwoven

590
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:43,760
and we explored where maybe this stick

591
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,840
had come from uh

592
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:47,520
it could have fallen from a tree could

593
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,280
we have missed it the evening before and

594
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:51,679
we could not come up with an explanation

595
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:54,559
and gifting or trick tricking

596
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,799
is very very rich in the folklore of

597
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:59,280
these areas another example of the

598
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:02,159
trickster is we

599
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,520
were set up in a campsite quite remote

600
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:07,120
from the one that we were used to

601
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,799
because of our covid restrictions here

602
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:11,039
in the nature preserve

603
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,000
and we started hearing a cat

604
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:15,919
you know a feline

605
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,080
meowing off in the distance now it was

606
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:19,919
one of those situations that we were so

607
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,919
far in the back country it makes no

608
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,919
sense for a domestic cat

609
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,679
to be meowing

610
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,760
you know at night so we took our

611
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,679
flashlights and our thermals we went out

612
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,960
and scanned

613
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,559
you know all around the campsite in the

614
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:34,480
surrounding areas for this cat and we

615
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:36,559
were never able to find it so there's

616
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:37,760
there's something

617
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:40,559
almost uh kind of playing with us uh i

618
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,440
never

619
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:43,039
really had a feeling of anything

620
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,880
benevolent

621
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,799
uh i have had a feeling of something

622
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,400
maybe being a bit perturbed and

623
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,360
irritated with us not you know not

624
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,200
cruelly irritated with it but maybe we

625
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,520
were just bothering it and then there's

626
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,120
also like you said a trickster element

627
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,360
most certainly

628
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,960
it's fascinating

629
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,799
and uh

630
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,440
another fascinating fascinating aspect

631
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:06,880
to this is

632
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,080
almost well like a men in black feature

633
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,720
or women in black could we go a little

634
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,640
bit into some of those encounters and

635
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:17,120
how strange those have been

636
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:20,960
oh yeah absolutely that was probably

637
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:24,000
the most unnerving uh aspect of all of

638
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,240
this uh we had had the very very strange

639
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,640
encounter with the uh the troopas or box

640
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,799
likes uh portals or whatever you know

641
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:32,640
whatever you want to call them

642
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,240
you know and this was back in uh 2017

643
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,400
and after we had assembled our team and

644
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,640
we're doing a very quick uh in the field

645
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,120
after action review we decided that it

646
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:45,760
would be wise to go back to uh back to

647
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:49,520
our base camp do a very formal on video

648
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:52,480
after action review using uh the

649
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,559
some interview techniques

650
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:56,159
to

651
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,600
get as much information while it was

652
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,240
still fresh on everybody's mind

653
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,720
and i received a radio call from my base

654
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,240
camp operator he says you know trey

655
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:06,080
there's somebody here that wants to see

656
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,240
you when you come back

657
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,840
i'm like yeah okay glenn i'll see you

658
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:11,200
when i get there we're getting ready to

659
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:12,559
pack up our gear and head back he goes

660
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:17,510
so i'm painting a picture this is in

661
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,400
february

662
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,640
at 10 30 in the evening

663
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,400
at night

664
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,320
uh in the winter time in the middle of

665
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,320
nowhere

666
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:27,919
and there's somebody that wants to talk

667
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,480
to me that's not part of our crew

668
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:32,400
so i get back there and much to my

669
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,159
chagrin there's a vehicle uh that

670
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:38,080
doesn't belong to us pulled up in our in

671
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,520
our camping area

672
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:40,799
and there's a woman standing there

673
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,120
waiting for me

674
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,080
and this woman is wearing loafers slacks

675
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,400
blouse and a blazer

676
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,720
a businesswoman if you will

677
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,240
who seemed very very interested in

678
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,000
talking to me

679
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:56,000
and the first thing she said is she

680
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,840
wanted us to drop everything we were

681
00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:59,840
doing and follow her down this deserted

682
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,720
county road there in the nature preserve

683
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,320
and at the end of this county road she

684
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,080
said there was a dwelling or a structure

685
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,840
that was inhabited by creatures that she

686
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:10,080
described as monkey bears i don't really

687
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:11,600
know what a monkey bear is but that was

688
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,360
the term she used yeah so i had a choice

689
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,679
of taking my entire team

690
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,760
and draping off in the forest with some

691
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,480
strange woman down a deserted road

692
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,240
to chase after

693
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,880
legendary monkey bears or maybe stay put

694
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,039
where i was at so i

695
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,799
you know sometimes discretion is the

696
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,880
better part of valor and i decided to

697
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,400
stay where we were and not follow this

698
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,480
woman because it just seemed often odd

699
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:38,400
she was very

700
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:40,840
off you know that's about the best way i

701
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,679
can uh

702
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,279
mm-hmm

703
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,440
and uh she just continued and was very

704
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:47,840
persistent about uh

705
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,559
you know us following her and i kept you

706
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:52,240
know saying have a good night thank you

707
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,600
for coming

708
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,360
you're trying to you know

709
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,279
throw those social cues out there that

710
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,440
most people would pick up that means the

711
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:01,120
conversation is over please leave us

712
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,240
alone

713
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:04,080
and she wouldn't do that

714
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,440
and then she started getting kind of

715
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:07,919
personal she said well you know did you

716
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,559
go to college i said well yeah i did she

717
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,480
goes well what college did you go to and

718
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:14,080
i said well i went to the university of

719
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,840
west georgia and she said well i did too

720
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,440
well that's odd

721
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,039
she goes well what's your degree in i

722
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,679
said well my degree is i have a ba in

723
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,600
psychology with a minor in anthropology

724
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,520
she goes oh i have a ba in psychology

725
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,039
too

726
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,480
and i thought okay this woman's just

727
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:31,919
messing with me you know she's toying

728
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,799
with me

729
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,080
so i was going to be smart i was going

730
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:36,080
to catch her up in a lie i said well

731
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,440
that's very interesting who were some of

732
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,960
your favorite professors while you were

733
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,840
there

734
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,600
and this woman actually started naming

735
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:43,679
people i knew

736
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,320
so i have a business woman

737
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:48,480
in the middle of the forest

738
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,840
in the winter time 10 30 at

739
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,520
night that went to the same university i

740
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,080
went to has the same degree i have it

741
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,919
knows the same people i have

742
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,679
so statistically what are the odds of

743
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,880
that

744
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:02,799
rather remote

745
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,600
it gets even stranger

746
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,159
while this woman was talking to us she

747
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,400
uh excused herself

748
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:12,559
and she stepped away from our small

749
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,679
gathering moved about 20 yards away

750
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:17,600
still within the light of our lanterns

751
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:18,240
and

752
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,440
camp lights

753
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:21,200
and she squatted down and urinated in

754
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,630
and after that we finally were able to

755
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:28,080
convince her to leave so i started

756
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,520
thinking about this and going back and

757
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,440
looking at some of the literature

758
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:33,360
you have a person who shows up out of

759
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,960
nowhere

760
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:36,880
seems to want to distract you from what

761
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,520
you're doing your mission

762
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,679
is not properly dressed for the occasion

763
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,720
as wearing clothes that are unusual

764
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:47,039
seems off something about this person is

765
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:51,200
off they don't understand social cueing

766
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,399
they also

767
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,440
don't understand uh polite niceties like

768
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,960
you don't urinate in front of people

769
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:58,320
unless you're really really friendly

770
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,440
with them

771
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,200
so i started looking at all of these

772
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,120
elements and there's one

773
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,360
group of people that falls

774
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,960
you know right smack dab in the middle

775
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:08,720
of all these indicators and it's what

776
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,840
people call the men in black

777
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,440
so true

778
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,440
and and not picking up on those social

779
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:18,080
cues everything in my opinion just fit

780
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:19,440
to a t

781
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:22,799
and uh yeah it is also it seems like

782
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,000
these areas tend to have as a facet of

783
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:28,399
the strange prism of high strangeness

784
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,440
they have

785
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:31,440
that feature that that men in black

786
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,720
feature and i thought that your

787
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,799
experiences with that are very important

788
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:36,080
part of this

789
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,039
another

790
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:40,159
just fascinating in my opinion uh

791
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,279
part of your investigation is some of

792
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,760
the amazing images you've captured both

793
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,120
on flear

794
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,440
regular cameras etc

795
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,320
and some of the most amazing cryptids

796
00:28:56,830 --> 00:28:54,720
large broad-shouldered figures in the

797
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:56,840
woods that are hard to

798
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,440
explain oh yeah absolutely this area uh

799
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:03,440
like i said has a very rich history of

800
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,640
uh cryptid uh involvement uh

801
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,640
you know many of the areas uh around

802
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,080
where we were at

803
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,399
uh and within just a few miles of the

804
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,640
meadow have had numerous reportings of

805
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:16,799
uh you know sasquatch cryptids things

806
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,799
like that uh we have video uh footage of

807
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:22,960
large broad shoulder creatures watching

808
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,520
us from the woodline

809
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:27,520
which was very interesting

810
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,480
from the fact that the the the image

811
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:32,080
was actually colder than the

812
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:33,279
surroundings

813
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,559
not warmer

814
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,360
the flare was set up to uh to indicate

815
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,120
coolness

816
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,520
so the the broad shouldered figure was

817
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,440
colder than the surroundings which was

818
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:45,600
very strange it doesn't make a lot of

819
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,399
sense so you know i put on my you know

820
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:50,640
paranormal ghost guy hat

821
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:53,679
i'm like okay cold figures that's a

822
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,799
ghost

823
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,720
but i'm in the woods where you've had

824
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,360
reportings of bigfoot so

825
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,200
maybe it's a bigfoot maybe it's a ghost

826
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,440
i don't know and what starts to happen

827
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,279
is these different areas these different

828
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,279
phenomenologies

829
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:09,360
these different uh

830
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,640
uh areas of research start to overlap

831
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,640
your ghost stuff starts to overlap with

832
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:16,559
your bigfoot stuff we start to overlap

833
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,840
with your uh ufology stuff and we're all

834
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,080
starting to look at the same phenomena

835
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,320
albeit through different lenses

836
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:26,480
so that's really really interesting we

837
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,000
also have a photograph

838
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:32,000
of uh of a figure watching us from the

839
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:33,679
woodline during the daytime we didn't

840
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,840
notice the figure until about a year

841
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,360
later when we were going back and doing

842
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,159
some uh review of our photographs

843
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,559
and once again it was a large sasquatch

844
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,279
type feature or creature

845
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:48,000
watching is kind of obscured by some of

846
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,360
the vegetation watching us from the

847
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:51,360
woodline as i'm giving a briefing to my

848
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,399
team

849
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:55,200
prior to going out later that night

850
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,320
one of our

851
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,080
expeditions we also

852
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,880
had a report in sightings of a large

853
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,399
whitish humanoid

854
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:04,399
watching us uh watching the edge of our

855
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,600
campsite

856
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:07,760
so yeah there is a just you know just

857
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,480
boucous of a cryptid

858
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,399
type phenomena going on this location

859
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,240
also

860
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:15,600
and

861
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,559
as as you mentioned the layers of this

862
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,200
are much like an onion and getting back

863
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:23,519
to baths or the black water anomalous

864
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:26,320
zone and particularly the meadow

865
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,760
i was blown away by this

866
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:31,919
i hate to call them tracks but they seem

867
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:35,120
to be tire tracks could we go into how

868
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:36,080
the

869
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,159
oh yeah absolutely we had uh i mentioned

870
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,480
earlier we had dispatched a team out to

871
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,320
a similar meadow

872
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,880
uh that was several miles away and left

873
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:55,120
a uh we left a team back at our base

874
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:58,240
camp this was back in april of 2018.

875
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,600
uh while we were away uh

876
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,600
the uh the morning saturday morning we

877
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,960
were uh the

878
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,960
team that had gone out to the uh

879
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,720
the the distant meadow was waiting for

880
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,640
extraction and we were waiting on our

881
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,559
vehicle to come and get us

882
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,240
and i had several team members decided

883
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,760
they would take that opportunity since

884
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,039
they were still back at base camp to

885
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,919
walk out to the meadow and look at it

886
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:21,840
they walked out there and they found

887
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,799
what they can describe as

888
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,880
i'm going to use the term tire tracks

889
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,720
and that's not what they were but it's a

890
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,640
it's it'll allow people to kind of paint

891
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:32,399
a picture in their mind i want them to

892
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,519
imagine

893
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:35,760
a set of parallel tracks

894
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,960
each track may be about 10 inches and

895
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:41,200
10 inches in width

896
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,039
you know maybe

897
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,200
three and a half four feet

898
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,960
apart from one another moving in a

899
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,640
straight line almost like you would see

900
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:50,559
tire tracks but these were a little bit

901
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,679
different

902
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,519
uh the grass out there at this time was

903
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,200
about eight twelve to eighteen inches

904
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,840
high and it's the tracks look like

905
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,320
something was dropped into the meadow

906
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,240
traveled a distance and it was lifted

907
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:04,240
out so they had a distinct beginning a

908
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,240
finite beginning and a finite ending

909
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,799
in the grass in these tire tracks in the

910
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,720
width of these two uh

911
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,240
depressions

912
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,960
was pressed over it wasn't broken it

913
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,640
wasn't torn

914
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,559
it was pressed over

915
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,919
uh

916
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,480
there were ant hills and small saplings

917
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,399
and mole hills

918
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:27,919
inside of these tracks that were not

919
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,360
compressed that were not pressed down

920
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,440
and they ran for several hundred yards

921
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:35,519
and then just stopped

922
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,320
so they were almost like crop circles

923
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,640
but they were linear in nature which is

924
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:42,159
really weird we were never able to

925
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,519
figure that out

926
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:45,360
later that afternoon i had two more my

927
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,039
researchers go out and they took with

928
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:50,080
them a full spectrum camera

929
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,120
and they were photographing uh the the

930
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,279
the tracks and they noticed that they

931
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,159
stood within the tracks

932
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,399
and faced uh you know down the tracks

933
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,159
that at the end of the track was another

934
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,720
cube or box this one by three meters by

935
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,080
three meters about three meters nine

936
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,679
foot by nine foot by nine foot very much

937
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,159
smaller than the original one

938
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,240
and it was only visible

939
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,919
through their full spectrum camera which

940
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,280
you know you uh

941
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,440
captures infrared and ultraviolet uh

942
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,200
light waves

943
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,960
so every time they would step outside of

944
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,280
the tracks and look at the uh

945
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:25,200
the anomaly through their viewfinder it

946
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,560
would disappear but as soon as they

947
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,280
stepped back into it it would reappear

948
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:31,359
so it was another one of these boxes

949
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,960
that had something to do with these

950
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:34,960
anomalous tracks

951
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,000
and much to my disappointment that when

952
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,760
they went to take a photograph of this

953
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:42,000
box they had realized they left their sd

954
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,079
camera back at campsite it was not in

955
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:45,599
the camera they had pulled it out to

956
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,200
download some stuff and forgot to put it

957
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,440
back in but i have affidavits from these

958
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,119
two individuals about what they saw and

959
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,359
experience with these two tracks

960
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,839
so that uh you know once again these

961
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:57,520
strange boxes

962
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,800
and crop circle similar type formations

963
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,480
come into play

964
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:03,839
yes

965
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,280
it is very odd uh a lot of the goings on

966
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:10,160
whether they're natural or otherworldly

967
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,839
vehicles um a particular section of your

968
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,359
book which

969
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:17,839
really freaked me out was

970
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:20,800
when a team member back at camp

971
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:24,079
heard what well it seemed to be

972
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:25,760
for lack of a better word i'll let you

973
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,320
describe it but a vehicle with no lights

974
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,440
on coming down the road i mean very high

975
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,960
tech if

976
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,640
i mean if if it could even be called

977
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:36,720
technology at all

978
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,520
right yeah that was uh that was uh

979
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:41,040
several years later

980
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,040
we were camping at a remote site and

981
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,880
i call it the uh

982
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,160
the uh

983
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,920
baskins hunt camp is what i call it in

984
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,760
the book

985
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:53,920
and that was in june of 2020 so we're

986
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,560
talking about you know not too long ago

987
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,079
during the summer of 2020 we were

988
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:00,320
camping at this remote site

989
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,040
because of ocovit had uh had forced us

990
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,359
to uh not camp at the site that we

991
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,520
usually you know camp at because the uh

992
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,200
the department of natural resources had

993
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:10,880
closed it down

994
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,760
and we were off in the meadow uh trying

995
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,040
something a little bit different like i

996
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,599
said we bring different tools

997
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,359
into the fray out of different toolboxes

998
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:21,760
and we were using the ce5 protocol

999
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,800
developed by dr stephen greer that night

1000
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:26,400
which uh people aren't familiar with it

1001
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,240
you go into an area you project uh

1002
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:33,040
your intent to make contact uh a lot of

1003
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:34,400
my team members are trained remote

1004
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,920
viewers

1005
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,160
and while we were doing that the one

1006
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:40,720
individual back of base camp

1007
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:43,520
heard what he described as a vehicle

1008
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,960
driving down

1009
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,720
a road that goes through the nature

1010
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,760
preserve

1011
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,599
probably about 30 yards from place where

1012
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,280
we were camped now anybody that's ever

1013
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,640
lived in a rural area knows that a

1014
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:54,960
vehicle driving down a dirt or shirt

1015
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:56,960
covered or gravel road has a very

1016
00:37:04,150 --> 00:36:59,520
distinct sound

1017
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,160
a vehicle driving but he looked

1018
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:06,480
and he could see nothing it was pitch

1019
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,920
black it was about 10 o'clock at night

1020
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,480
no moon you could not see your hands in

1021
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:14,160
front of your face that's how dark it

1022
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,520
was

1023
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:18,160
and he heard this craft and that's i'm

1024
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,440
just going to use that term because

1025
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,680
that's the best descriptor move past the

1026
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,320
campsite on this road

1027
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:26,640
no lights

1028
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:29,760
and he heard what he described as faint

1029
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:32,480
voices out in the forest after this

1030
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,400
where it gets a little weird is the only

1031
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,480
way that you could drive down this road

1032
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:38,000
that night

1033
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,839
with no lights is if you had the most

1034
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,320
advanced military grade gen 3 night

1035
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,160
vision equipment

1036
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,119
and why somebody would drive down a road

1037
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:49,040
completely blacked out

1038
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,349
he was also running his radiation

1039
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,440
detector at that time and it's

1040
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,440
interesting to note that the background

1041
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,520
radiation of this particular area is

1042
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:02,880
about

1043
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:05,920
0.08 micro sieverts per hour you know

1044
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:08,560
that's that's kind of average but when

1045
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,000
this craft passed by our campsite and by

1046
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,200
my researcher the radiation spiked up to

1047
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,079
0.66 micro sieverts per hour that's

1048
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,839
really interesting because if anybody's

1049
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,200
been following some of the other

1050
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:22,800
research going on with places like

1051
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,800
skinwalker ranch they're starting to

1052
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,880
detect these little micro variances and

1053
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,119
radiation and background radiation so

1054
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:30,960
there's something going on about these

1055
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,200
uh little tiny spikes and radiation and

1056
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,280
this was just another example of that

1057
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,040
particular phenomena being recorded by

1058
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:38,720
my team

1059
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,599
absolutely and it falls right into line

1060
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:43,839
with these areas of ice strangeness that

1061
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:46,880
the strange technologies the

1062
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,760
spikes in your detectors and something

1063
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:51,599
else that really spoke to me and i

1064
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,560
thought was very odd was you were very

1065
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,880
professional and i commend you on that

1066
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,320
on how you

1067
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,240
used radio silence and also how you

1068
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,079
communicated via radio because this is

1069
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,400
an area of bad cell service

1070
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:06,000
something that really stood out to me in

1071
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:07,680
the book is

1072
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,400
how you were using call signs in talking

1073
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:12,800
to one another and and

1074
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:15,520
i'll let you kind of explain but

1075
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:17,040
somebody was listening to your call and

1076
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,560
not only that they they jumped in

1077
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:22,960
right right we uh several of our members

1078
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,839
are licensed amateur radio operators

1079
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:27,760
and this area is so remote we have just

1080
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:30,000
really you know poor cell reception so

1081
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,240
in order to communicate with uh remote

1082
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:34,960
camps and remote teams a lot of times we

1083
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:37,839
use a a high altitude repeater

1084
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,320
a two meter repeater that's about 30

1085
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,160
miles from our campsite but it allows us

1086
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,720
tremendous coverage using our our radio

1087
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,920
equipment

1088
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,440
so you know being

1089
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,760
you know a two meter uh

1090
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,599
repeater you have to be a licensed ham

1091
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:53,839
radio operator to uh to utilize it so we

1092
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,160
have to use our fcc uh issued call signs

1093
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,000
and during this particular this was the

1094
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,640
same night as the strange craft driving

1095
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,400
past the campsite

1096
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:06,720
uh we got on the radio and we've got a

1097
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,839
radio back to our base camp saying that

1098
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,760
you know we're returning so you know a

1099
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,680
call a radio call goes something like

1100
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,160
this you know uh one two three four this

1101
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:18,000
is five six seven eight you know five

1102
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,560
six seven eight go uh we're returning

1103
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:22,480
back to base camp we will see you in a

1104
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,359
few

1105
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,760
well thank you very much this is uh one

1106
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,440
two three four thank you five six seven

1107
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,040
eight one two three four out five six

1108
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:30,880
seven eight out that would be

1109
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,520
kind of how the flow of data would go

1110
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,079
and uh while we were doing this uh this

1111
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:38,079
conversation of us returning to base

1112
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,160
camp a single female voice came in

1113
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,359
and repeated the call sign of

1114
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:47,359
uh the individual back of base camp

1115
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,720
we'll call him one two three four and

1116
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,240
it's just with a female voice that came

1117
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,119
on and said one two three four

1118
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:54,880
and then nothing

1119
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,560
this is very strange in a couple of

1120
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,800
reasons number one is

1121
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,480
amateur radio etiquette is you don't

1122
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:02,480
break into a conversation or a

1123
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,839
transmission

1124
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,760
unless it's an emergency it's very very

1125
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,960
rude

1126
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:08,240
number two

1127
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,280
is

1128
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,200
you're not always required to give the

1129
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,440
other person's call sign

1130
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:15,359
but you are required by law to give

1131
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,440
yours and this person that broke in

1132
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:19,920
never gave their call sign

1133
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,119
and we only had one instance instance

1134
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,599
of that person giving the call sign of

1135
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,200
the individual that was back at base

1136
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:28,960
camp who had just experienced that

1137
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:31,920
strange crap driving past or gliding

1138
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:32,800
past

1139
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,599
so wild so wild

1140
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:37,920
and there are so many wild instances

1141
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,319
like that in your book it's just

1142
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:42,240
there's no way we can hit upon all of

1143
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:45,440
them something that really stood out as

1144
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,800
well in your work is how the meto

1145
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,960
project and the area that you are

1146
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:52,319
investigating

1147
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,680
seems to have very similar uh

1148
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:57,440
gosh i don't know what to call it but

1149
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:00,560
your gear is shut down batteries drained

1150
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:02,240
things don't seem to be working in the

1151
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,200
field

1152
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,319
and uh it goes as far as even vehicles

1153
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,000
locking and unlocking themselves can we

1154
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,960
get into some of those instances oh

1155
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,960
absolutely uh

1156
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:14,880
you know strange things and

1157
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,880
malfunctioning gear is is just endemic

1158
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,240
at this site

1159
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,319
you know we have literally had two

1160
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:24,960
drones completely fried

1161
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,240
uh operating at this site i had uh my my

1162
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,200
drone was damaged so bad

1163
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,960
by some force

1164
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:35,119
that i had to send it back and buy a new

1165
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:36,240
one

1166
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,560
was a mavic

1167
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,560
very nice high-end drone

1168
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:45,040
it got damaged so bad that it had to be

1169
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,160
sent back

1170
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,720
one of our team members uh was using her

1171
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,359
high-end fleer equipment it was damaged

1172
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,960
so bad that it had to be sent back to

1173
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:55,040
the manufacturer

1174
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:56,800
we have had vehicles that lock and

1175
00:43:01,190 --> 00:43:00,000
unlock as recently as july of this year

1176
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,200
uh

1177
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,040
it was so bad that one of my team

1178
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,280
members was returning home

1179
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,119
in july

1180
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,880
and before she was able to cross a state

1181
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:11,440
line back into her her home state

1182
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,400
her

1183
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,480
vehicle completely died all electronic

1184
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,720
vehicle electronic features in her cam

1185
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,000
air vehicle

1186
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,000
were completely dead

1187
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,079
i've had uh

1188
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,319
camcorders that worked fine back at base

1189
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:26,400
camp get out to the meadow couldn't get

1190
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:27,920
them to work at all

1191
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,400
come back to base camp they work fine

1192
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,240
so this is a you know these types of

1193
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,280
electronic anomalies and malfunctions

1194
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,040
are are very well known and very well

1195
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:39,440
recorded throughout all these various uh

1196
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,680
places of high strangeness

1197
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:43,280
very interesting

1198
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,960
also it's important to mention and

1199
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:48,880
one thing you are currently and

1200
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,280
continually investigating this location

1201
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,040
these are not things we're talking about

1202
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:55,359
that happened decades ago and i really

1203
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:58,000
commend you for that as we begin to wrap

1204
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,880
up

1205
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,720
can you let our listeners know where

1206
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,640
they can support your efforts keep up

1207
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,400
with your work buy your books and keep

1208
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:06,640
up with you

1209
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:09,440
oh absolutely absolutely the uh the best

1210
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:11,920
way to get the book and uh

1211
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,160
i will say that it is in hardback

1212
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,920
softback

1213
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,720
uh audiobook and ebook so all the

1214
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,480
various you know uh

1215
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,720
types of book it's out there

1216
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,280
is on amazon and the easiest way to do

1217
00:44:30,430 --> 00:44:27,680
that is just in the search bar

1218
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,440
type in my name trey t r e y hudson

1219
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:32,480
h-u-d-s-o-n it'll come up and the book

1220
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,760
is titled

1221
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,000
uh the meadow project explorations into

1222
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:38,480
the south skinwalker ranch

1223
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,359
you can go onto facebook and

1224
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:43,839
type in treyhudson-author

1225
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,640
that's my facebook page and also the

1226
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,440
oxford paranormal society facebook page

1227
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,920
is active too so those are some of the

1228
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,400
ways that uh

1229
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,680
you know you can reach out to me i've

1230
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,200
got some other projects in the work that

1231
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,880
i'm not really a liberty to go into but

1232
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,800
uh you know i'm just trying to get this

1233
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:03,200
story out to as many people as possible

1234
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,160
primarily because it's not my story it's

1235
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:08,640
the world story it belongs to everybody

1236
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,280
and i want people to experience the awe

1237
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:13,839
and the wonder of this remarkable and

1238
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:17,359
unique site just as much as i have

1239
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,880
and we all thank you for that it's uh as

1240
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:23,119
we delve into this

1241
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,920
this

1242
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,680
peak behind the veil

1243
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,359
something else that really stood out to

1244
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,760
me and lastly i want to kind of touch on

1245
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,280
it a little bit is

1246
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:34,079
in the uh estes sessions that you took

1247
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,880
place

1248
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,040
they really are a special treat to read

1249
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,200
because the way they read is much like a

1250
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,079
conversation and in this conversation

1251
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,960
the word cold continued to come up

1252
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,520
and i think uh you

1253
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:49,839
may have uncovered one of the layers to

1254
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,880
this onion and possibly connected the

1255
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,040
maybe maybe something to do with injured

1256
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,240
cold could we get into that just a bit

1257
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:01,200
oh yes absolutely uh you know indrid

1258
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:04,560
cold of course is the protagonist

1259
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,359
uh of john keels during his book the

1260
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,680
mothman prophecies it was a mysterious

1261
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,040
entity

1262
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,599
that uh you know keeps he keeps coming

1263
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:15,359
in contact with

1264
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,160
uh it's interesting and and somewhat

1265
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:20,960
fascinating that indrid cold

1266
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,160
is now also starting to become uh

1267
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,560
kind of rear his his head once again if

1268
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,079
anybody's familiar with the uh the

1269
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:30,720
documentary series hillier

1270
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,520
uh indrid cold plays into that quite

1271
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,200
quite heavily

1272
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:36,800
and i thought it was interesting that

1273
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,520
the the word cold

1274
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:41,599
you know literally came out of nowhere

1275
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,240
that it was a phrase that was uttered

1276
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,400
just basically in absence

1277
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,560
of any other reference

1278
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,520
but injury cold this this entity known

1279
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:55,680
as injured cold is

1280
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,760
heavily involved

1281
00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:00,079
in instances of high strangeness

1282
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,599
especially when it involves

1283
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,240
interdimensional interactions

1284
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,000
so that is something that we are

1285
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:09,119
certainly going to explore further

1286
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,880
is the possible indrid cold

1287
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,720
interdimensional aspect

1288
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,720
of this whole phenomena and how it

1289
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,720
relates to the meadow

1290
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:18,640
yes

1291
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,559
another question that

1292
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:22,880
i'm sure

1293
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,040
this as you mentioned you have a lot of

1294
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,119
uh veterans special operations veterans

1295
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:31,760
etc and remote viewers

1296
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,040
on the team has anything come about from

1297
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:37,599
any remote viewing or has any have any

1298
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,000
sessions been focused on the meadow and

1299
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:42,160
what came of those

1300
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,160
uh yes yes we have done uh i have had a

1301
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,000
a well-known remote viewer here in the

1302
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,800
u.s somebody that i'm associated with do

1303
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:52,880
a remote viewing of some of the

1304
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:55,200
instances

1305
00:48:03,430 --> 00:47:58,480
and what came out of this remote viewing

1306
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,589
you know a classic ufo abduction you

1307
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:07,040
know

1308
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,640
which falls in line with some of the

1309
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,400
stuff that we're experiencing i have one

1310
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,960
team member that has recurring dreams of

1311
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,000
uh

1312
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:16,000
creatures coming into their bedroom at

1313
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,880
night

1314
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:19,280
you know hovering over them

1315
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,800
uh this individual also had a uh you

1316
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:24,240
know their vehicle

1317
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,200
die

1318
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,400
unexpectedly in a remote area

1319
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:30,720
uh so that is something that you know

1320
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,599
we're going to continue to explore

1321
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,960
unfortunately

1322
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:36,480
we're self-funded

1323
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:37,920
so we don't have a lot of money i'm

1324
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,240
hoping to get some funding up to have a

1325
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,400
hypnotic therapist hypnotherapist go

1326
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,160
back and do some regression

1327
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:48,240
because i think that there are multiple

1328
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,200
layers

1329
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,960
that can be peeled back and maybe we can

1330
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,880
get a uh

1331
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,800
a truthful if not unsettling look at

1332
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,800
what might be going on underneath the uh

1333
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,240
the surface

1334
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,240
great idea

1335
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,640
and you do have some very exciting

1336
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,400
things coming up we're going to have to

1337
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,319
hold our breath on those but i know they

1338
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,680
are huge

1339
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:09,280
thank you so much for coming on the

1340
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,599
podcast tray everything you do and your

1341
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,680
approach to these mysteries is a very

1342
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,880
noble work

1343
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,480
please keep doing what you're doing and

1344
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,920
we can't thank you enough for sharing

1345
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,920
your research transparently with all of

1346
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,240
us keep up the amazing work and

1347
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:24,640
is there a site where listeners can go

1348
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:27,839
and donate towards your research

1349
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,440
oh no we're we're not set up as a 501c3

1350
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:33,119
yet so uh

1351
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:35,119
i'm afraid not the best way people can

1352
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,720
support us is uh

1353
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,800
buy the book uh if

1354
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,960
i think for approximately five dollars

1355
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,960
for the e-book format it's a heck of a

1356
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,880
deal and i would love for you to share

1357
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,359
in the adventure by uh working your way

1358
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,280
through the pages of the book be it an

1359
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:51,920
e-format or hard copy

1360
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,720
it is a great read such a page turner

1361
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:57,040
and it's a book that i i recommend to

1362
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,400
everyone the events taking place

1363
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,280
in this area are going to be associated

1364
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,800
with some of the larger questions i

1365
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,640
think that will be answered possibly in

1366
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,920
our lifetime and

1367
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,680
your work is proving to be very

1368
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,000
important and essential to that so thank

1369
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:14,000
you so much trey and

1370
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,680
i can't thank you enough for coming on

1371
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,119
the podcast and hope to talk to you

1372
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,280
again in the future

1373
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:20,960
well thank you for having me it has been

1374
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,920
a distinct honor and privilege

1375
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,160
trey hudson ladies and gentlemen i've

1376
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:28,559
been so excited about today's podcast

1377
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,599
for some time and it was a real treat to

1378
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,800
talk to him

1379
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:35,359
the groups that he's involved with and

1380
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:38,079
directs and the experience that he

1381
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:39,760
brings to the table

1382
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:42,400
is something that i believe is truly

1383
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,599
important

1384
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:45,920
he is bringing pieces of the paranormal

1385
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,680
puzzle to the proverbial table in a way

1386
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:51,040
that is

1387
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,640
essential and his scientific scrutiny

1388
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:56,559
let's just say when i came across his

1389
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:57,599
work

1390
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,720
i became obsessed as you should as well

1391
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:03,119
definitely pick up a copy of the book to

1392
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,240
help him

1393
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:06,880
it is called the meadow project

1394
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,920
explorations into the south's skinwalker

1395
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:11,520
ranch

1396
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:15,280
trey hudson has really carved out a

1397
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:19,280
beautiful piece of the paranormal

1398
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:20,400
enigma

1399
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,440
in the black water anomalous zone we are

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going to hear a lot about it

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soon

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and uh keep your eyes to the skies

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feet on the ground but don't forget

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hey